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Post by mattb on Oct 20, 2008 19:12:41 GMT -5
Hi All.
I'm looking to change from my 530 chain and sprockets to a 520 set-up (DID 520s are half the price of 530s here!). I've heard conflicting stories regarding the need for adding a spacer from the XT to the sprocket(s?) in this conversion.
What's the consensus(if there is one)?
Is the spacer a factory part (with a part number?) from the XT, or a home-made modification?
Thanks, Matt
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Post by chew652 on Oct 21, 2008 22:49:20 GMT -5
You need the spacer that goes behind the countershaft sprocket from the XT-TT.It is a little thicker. Part number 90387-25507-00
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Post by sven on Oct 22, 2008 10:38:03 GMT -5
Hi Matt! If you mount the 520 sprocket with the SR spacer, the big nut on the shaft won't be able to clamp the sprocket. It'll be loose on the shaft. So either you take the XT spacer or an additional one (about 3mm thick). Regards Sven
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Post by mattb on Oct 22, 2008 23:52:11 GMT -5
Thanks guys.
I'll check out what the spacer looks like and whether I can substitute something cheap for it, as I just checked and they're $30AU, which is however worth it considering that quality 520 chains are half the price of 530 chains here, and there's a drought when it comes to the sprockets!
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Post by StewRoss on Oct 26, 2008 2:23:43 GMT -5
Hi Sven, Yep that is pretty well the only reason I can see for a longer spacer as well... SR
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Post by caferacercarl on Oct 26, 2008 2:33:21 GMT -5
Aside from being 3mm out on chain alignment if you don't.... as was the "stinky" bike, 3mm at the front adds up to a lot by the time it reaches the rear wheel.
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Post by mattb on Oct 26, 2008 18:49:18 GMT -5
Thanks All. Just one more thing: I know nothing about dimensions, I'm just planning to go in to the shop and ask for sprockets for an XT500, 17 and 41(-or there abouts)...anything else I should know or watch out for?
Matt
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Post by StewRoss on Oct 27, 2008 1:13:08 GMT -5
..just make sure that the lock washer is engaged in the splines before fully tightening the nut..and make sure you bend it over properly once the nut is tightened. SR
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Post by sven on Oct 27, 2008 13:34:44 GMT -5
Aside from being 3mm out on chain alignment if you don't... ... if you do. (Assumed) proper alignment with the 530 chain will be disturbed by spacing out only the front sprocket but not the rear one. Regards Sven
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Post by mattb on Oct 28, 2008 22:15:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses guys. I seem to be getting mixed messages (on here, and at the SR500 Club last night) on this matter of the front spacer and whether a rear spacer is thus needed. Of course Sven qualified his statement with "assumed". Any more words on this? Is there a good way to verify the answer when I've got the parts? I'm guessing that if it is an issue - if I need to add a spacer to the rear - I could just place washers/spacers of the right thickness between the sprocket and the hub, around the bolts - does that sound ok?
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Post by chew652 on Oct 29, 2008 8:41:35 GMT -5
I put just the front XT spacer in and everything lines up just fine. The PO had a home made spacer/washer made of twisted wire and the sprocket was still loose. The new spacer puts the sprocket out to the right spot and the new rear sprocket is thinner. It lines up ,you will have to ask the engineers why. I think that basically you are using the new spacer to line up the inside edge of the sprockets and the rest takes care of itself.
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Post by mattb on Nov 6, 2008 7:59:34 GMT -5
Well I got the new 520 sprokets and chain on. I had no idea how to get the old spacer out, and feeling rather impatient with the unrideable state of my bike I laid aside the $30 XT spacer I'd bought and went and put a 50 cent washer in there - I'll chuck the other thing up for sale if anybody wants the proper washer. Busted my chain breaker and had some wierd problem with the circlip so I took it to a trusted shop and the guy verified in the process that the chain lined up fine.
Took the bike on the freeway with the new 17 41 sprocket set-up. Was hard to gauge exactly how things are as the bike has suddenly developed a new surging issue which is there 50% of the time, and is not the chain because it's happening at idle with the rpm jumping by 1000 at a time! Likes to stall too! Anyway, when running smoothly, the rpm wasn't that much lower but it was enough to make a difference. 4000rpm seems like a magic number, if I can cruise below that the bike feels so much happier, and I can now get in to the mid 90s (km/hr) below 4000rpm which is good - the point was so that I could do some touring and I think this set-up should do the job. Accelerates well enough for the cruiser style I'm aiming for with the bike, though all the way up to 100 there's a definite difference, it does feel much less gutsy. Am very interested to see how it feels on a proper run with this surging business sorted out.
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Post by sven on Nov 7, 2008 5:09:58 GMT -5
I had no idea how to get the old spacer out, ... [/quote Just pull it out!
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Post by mattb on Nov 9, 2008 18:06:25 GMT -5
Yeh I tried pulling it out, wouldn't budge, though my limited tool set restricted me to trying with a pair of pincers - maybe need a big pair of pliers!
I can offer a bit of a ride review of the new sprocket combo: 17, 41. I rode about three hundred kms yesterday, on freeway, through mountains (incl Black & Reefton Spurs). The ride is much improved, indeed next time I’ll endeavour to get the 40 rear. 100km/hr is still about 4000rpm, but the rpm decreases to a greater degree than expected at speeds below that – so I can sit on the highway (100km/hr zone) at 90km/hr at 3500rpm, which is still fast enough not to be a hazard and fine for cruising all day. At 80km/hr I can drop to 3200rpm which is very pleasant. Naturally I’ve lost some pick up. Indeed the bike has really lost pizzaz in that department, but it’s good enough – still significantly faster than most cars from the line and can accelerate quickly enough at 100km/hr to over-take. I did this mod to make the bike better for cruising and touring, so the loss in road burning is not really an issue, it fits with the style of riding I’m going for, with higher bars and saddle bags.
One area where the new set-up lacks is dirt bike riding – the bike has now lost all connection (performance wise) with its roots. At one point I was riding up a greasy dirt (clay) road through a rain forest, which I was doing rather slowly in first gear. The bike stalled, and wanted to stall most of the time. I have carb / surging trouble at the moment, and I think this was half of the issue, but I’m pretty certain it was also the sprockets – they don’t pull well at very slow speed with low (as possible for an SR) rpm. The bike tends to surge and jerk a bit. There are also odd jerks at other times during acceleration and deceleration, something I’ve noticed in the past when you change the sprockets from standard to drop rpm. Its nothing too serious and at speed I’ve come close to ironing these minor jerks out via riding style. It would be more of an issue if I was commuting in the inner-city as I used to, but now that the bike's reserved for country riding there’s no real issue.
So all in all I think the conversion has worked well. Acceleration is fine with this set-up if you don’t mind a decrease in the old oommph factor, and freeways and highways are much happier places to be.
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Post by davedunsboro on Nov 9, 2008 22:25:26 GMT -5
I don't mind that as you get to work the gears a bit more . That 100kph at 4000rpm is a good combo I think . I myself am playing with a 17 front on a 42 rear but I think that unless I want to spend $$$ on the donk I'll put it back to 16 as I'll need to dyno it to make it work as it does what you described(a bit of a jerk) If you just go down 2 teeth on the rear it doesn't seem to affect performance but makes country rides better! The 16-44 combo is no good for me as the slowest I go is 60kph & most of my runs are in the 90-110kph range with no traffic lights .Cheers Dave
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