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Oct 26, 2006 0:52:28 GMT -5
Post by fenz on Oct 26, 2006 0:52:28 GMT -5
Anybody got any recomendations on cam selection for the 500 single.Most people that advertise just give you specs of mild to wild etc.Would like a bit of information on what works for road use and if you need to upgrade valve springs etc. Will an upgraded cam work as well with stock comp. Lot of questions there but any sugestions would be great best to do it right the first time.
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Oct 26, 2006 6:02:24 GMT -5
Post by StewRoss on Oct 26, 2006 6:02:24 GMT -5
Hi, I have a new cam that was made by Karl (...here in Aus) to go into my new bike...don't know the specs until I degree it when I put the engine together. He also supplied a sprocket with differing holes for the locating pin so that I can vary the timing incrementally. A good idea. He colour codes the holes and gives you a list of the various changes the holes make to the timing. Karl said to me that he designed the lobes to control the valves so that you don't require heavy springs...he indicated that I could fit stronger inners, but only if I was concerned. I have seen some of his engines and they are fairly quick...Unfortunately he doesn't do these cams anymore as far as I know. My mate Mark has a Megacycle cam, mid range one. his bike pulls 17/40 gearing well and sounds like its hardly working as he comes past. All of the Megacycle cams require springs as well and they sell them to you with the cam if you want. Looking at the catalogue Mark's is probably a 251-30 or 251-40..I'll check to see if he remembers still...he's getting older so???....heh, heh...payback's a pregnant dog... All of the cams require setting up and clearance checking etc. as well...as you probably know... These Johnson cams interest me. I had heard of the roller cams for the TT/XT/SR's years ago but never seen one...anyone here actually seen one of these? Any pics? SR
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Oct 26, 2006 6:05:17 GMT -5
Post by StewRoss on Oct 26, 2006 6:05:17 GMT -5
"...payback's a pregnant dog...'..it's always interesting to see what words the computer comes up with... SR
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Oct 26, 2006 10:18:33 GMT -5
Post by shibuyagas78 on Oct 26, 2006 10:18:33 GMT -5
Cams seem to be an area where lots of people are having trouble finding a reliable good quality solution?? Is there a demand for some good quality Cams guys??? I get asked a lot if i can get them.... I would appreciate some feed back and thoughts....Is the quality of the cam chain considered when building high comp engines, with high lift cams? I bought an engine recently which had a cam from a local reproducer, it was not hardened correctly (was an exchange cam) and as a result detroyed a big dollar eng as the cam fell apart!! Personally i now prefer quality cams as a result of that.
How the cam works with the stock comp is all dependant on the profile as is weather or not you need upgraded springs. Cams with a higher lift tend to work at high revs better and usually springs are required for the added stress of high RPMs, lesser lift cams (better profile than stock) can be run with stock compression and no springs as they probably wont see 9000rpm all day. Dont waste time putting in a cam with 12mm of lift if you dont mod the engine (higher compression etc), and dont spend dollars on big dollar springs if its a mild cam... There is a lot of combinations and profiles and you need to think out what you are planning on doing with your bike in terms of riding, and look at the rest of your components like intake system and carby, exhaust etc... lots of variables and many options and thoughts on the subject. No simple answer but i would suggest think past the cam and see what else is going to be effected by the operation and if your budget can cope with any needed upgrades to match the fitting of the cam chosen. If not rethink the cam choice.
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Oct 26, 2006 17:52:14 GMT -5
Post by fenz on Oct 26, 2006 17:52:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the feed back i like to do my research before i lay down my cash.My bike is running stock compression as far as i know as i have never had it appart.Will hopefully be installing a mikuni flat slide (non pump) and quick action throttle this weekend if it turns up in the post.As for the rest it has a K&N filter and open mega exhaust doesnt go to bad but there is always room for improvement. Have got the engine out of an XT that i built sitting in the shed that has a Wiseco 10.5:1 piston and ported/polished head.Think its time to go looking for a frame to build a new toy.
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Oct 27, 2006 4:17:41 GMT -5
Post by Craig on Oct 27, 2006 4:17:41 GMT -5
You lucky lil' Vegemite havin' a spare engin'. Always handy! ;D
Rgdz CL
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Oct 27, 2006 5:31:09 GMT -5
Post by Craig on Oct 27, 2006 5:31:09 GMT -5
Café Racer used to offer 4 different cams: "Camshaft - 4 different grinds available. Dyno proven, new technology, quietening ramps (unlike the opposition), hardweld for long life, made by aviation-certified cam company. AUD$220 exchange."All I know is that Carl got them made by a company somewhere here in Nunawading. A company I know of that still make cams for the SR is Tighe Cams. www.tighecams.com.auI haven't started tinkering with cams yet, so sorry, I don't know nothin' about them! Rgdz CL
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Oct 29, 2006 8:14:33 GMT -5
Post by shibuyagas78 on Oct 29, 2006 8:14:33 GMT -5
All sounds very impressive, Quietening ramps, I would like to know what that is about??? (unlike the oppisition). When i see "hardweld" "regrind" "exchange" "dyno proven by Jim bob" I now run the other way..... (No offence to any one here who is making cams). I've seen too many cams come out engines that have not been hardened correctly, they get a hard time with poor oil flow in the top end (unless modified) I would pay the extra 100 bucks and save on another engine rebuild 5000k later....
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Nov 4, 2006 1:13:33 GMT -5
Post by StewRoss on Nov 4, 2006 1:13:33 GMT -5
Hi, Ah...it's good to be back! A quietening ramp is a cam design feature that 'quietens' or graduates the opening of the valves in order to cut down tappet noise in an engine... A lot of Megacycle cams (...and others) are hardfaced cams and with the matching rockers are really excellent cams! Regrinds where the base circles are tampered with to increase the lift can be a little sus on occasion as they can alter the angles of the rockers significantly... SR
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Nov 9, 2006 7:27:10 GMT -5
Post by motomick on Nov 9, 2006 7:27:10 GMT -5
hey Shibuyagas,which cam stuffed up,it wasn't Gregs cam was it?,that was a race regind from (already mentioned ,Tighe??),motomick
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