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Post by chrisa83 on May 25, 2024 10:33:49 GMT -5
Hi all,
Just cannot get my 1981 to start. Changed the spark plug, new fuel, had the carb ultrasonic cleaned and rebuilt but she just won't go.
There is a decent spark so I'm presuming the leads and cap are OK. Had nearly an hour trying today and it's just not happening. Its kicked back fairly viciously twice and ive not got injured, that's about as much as I've achieved!lol
Any ideas from anyone where I go next would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance.
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Post by redgalvin on May 25, 2024 11:44:43 GMT -5
Hi all, Just cannot get my 1981 to start. Changed the spark plug, new fuel, had the carb ultrasonic cleaned and rebuilt but she just won't go. There is a decent spark so I'm presuming the leads and cap are OK. Had nearly an hour trying today and it's just not happening. Its kicked back fairly viciously twice and ive not got injured, that's about as much as I've achieved!lol Any ideas from anyone where I go next would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance. "had the carb ultrasonic cleaned", doesn't mean ----, did you poke out the passages with a strand of copper wire? If not, still blocked.
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Post by stevep on May 25, 2024 11:47:58 GMT -5
Have you got a can of Bradex or similar 'easy start' juice? If you can get it to start on a whiff of that you can at least hear the motor and see if it's a mechanical issue (unusual amount of camchain or tappet noise) or if you're just not getting any fuel through from the carb.
After a good few kicks you'll most likely have flooded it anyway, so you'd need to hold the throttle open and leave for a while to air out before going back for more punishment. I feel your pain!
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Post by andy on May 25, 2024 12:10:01 GMT -5
Hi all, Just cannot get my 1981 to start. Changed the spark plug, new fuel, had the carb ultrasonic cleaned and rebuilt but she just won't go. There is a decent spark so I'm presuming the leads and cap are OK. Had nearly an hour trying today and it's just not happening. Its kicked back fairly viciously twice and ive not got injured, that's about as much as I've achieved!lol Any ideas from anyone where I go next would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance. chris,just a couple of observations in addition to redgalvin and steves sound comments,is the plug getting wet after 3-4 kicks ? have you checked the float height following the ultra sonic clean ? has the needle height been altered ? stock carb or aftermarket vm ??
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Post by chrisa83 on May 25, 2024 17:42:23 GMT -5
Thanks all.
The mechanic I took it to said there were a couple of blockages including the pilot jet which he said he had thoroughly cleaned out aswell as giving it the general ultrasonic clean.
No, I dont have any Easy Start although I could get some.
Mikuni Kogyo Carb stamped 2j2 90 - is that stock?
Is anything causing the kickbacks? Don't remember it doing that when I last had it running (October last year) but had it a few times these last few weeks while I've been having these issues.
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Post by Petes2Wheels on May 25, 2024 17:44:12 GMT -5
Have you got an issue with the kill switch? Check any other wiring as well. The SR is very straight forward, air, fuel spark. Is the air getting into the carby and no where else? No leaks. Maybe run a leak down tester to confirm. Fuel, Check everything, from the tank to the float bowl. Make sure fuel is getting through. Try a different spark plug, is the spark gap right?
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Post by chrisa83 on May 25, 2024 17:45:49 GMT -5
I'll have to check if the plug is getting wet when I next get chance, thanks. If its not, is a blockage likely somewhere?
The float etc on the Carb is a bit above my level so cannot answer on that bit I'm afraid.
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Post by scottyrob on May 27, 2024 20:42:49 GMT -5
Are you getting any firing at all?
Sounds like the stock carb, does it have white cold start button?
When you say you're getting decent spark, you've held the spark plug to the head while kicking it over in the dark?
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Post by chrisa83 on Jun 2, 2024 10:33:23 GMT -5
Hi all,
Changed the spark plugs, actually have two new different sorts, one with the R in and one without, both offer a decent spark when put against the engine and kicked over but the BP7ES as recommended in my user manual is the stronger spark so using that one.
The plug does not appear to be getting wet no.
The fuel line looks fine from the tank all the way to the carb. As mentioned previously the carb has been to a specialist.
Tried easy start, that hasn't made any difference.
It's not really firing at all anymore, there just isn't anything there.
Cannot see a kill switch or a cold start button. It's been chopped around so unfortunately alot of what would normally be there isn't.
I'm losing hope 😔
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Post by andy on Jun 2, 2024 12:35:24 GMT -5
Chris, you say it was running last October so surely it’s not anything wrong with the kill switch? I’m guessing here but if its sparking it should fire providing fuel is getting through. Is your green neutral light coming on ? If the plug is bone dry it’s got to be carb/ fuel related ? I’d personally be taking the carb off but while it’s on undo the plug underneath the float bowl, fuel coming out? If so it’s got to be a blockage in the pilot circuit ? Check the float valve is free and not sticking. That’s about everything I can offer Chris. I’ve always stripped and serviced carbs myself but understand it’s not a comfortable task for everyone.Good luck. Andy
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Post by chrisa83 on Aug 4, 2024 15:50:11 GMT -5
Hi all,
Just revisiting this again (trapped a nerve in my back so been out of action for a while).
Took that time to take the carb apart and have a look, all jets looked clean but did them again anyway.
Also refitted the decompresser which had previously been removed.
I think progress is being made, she sounds like she wants to go now. Had quite a few occasions today of it spitting/spluttering, it just won't quite make it. I'll try again when I get chance, guessing I may have flooded it in the end today anyway.
Am I right in thinking when I finally get it going once, it should then be alot easier after that going forward?
Cheers.
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Post by Petes2Wheels on Aug 4, 2024 17:30:33 GMT -5
Check all your electrical connections too, might be a plug loose too. Have you checked all your timings as well. On the odd occasion a bad valve timing won't start a bike. As for your kickback, are you getting it in the right spot to kick? Have you got that Decompression window to check. I put the short Decompression lever mounted to the engine on mine so deliberately makes me look down there to start the bike. Also another thing, where are you located? The cold weather can make old bikes not start nicely too. For the carby, other than a Honda Cb250 or postie bike the SR is a very easy carby to work on. You will get there
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Post by andy on Aug 5, 2024 2:50:27 GMT -5
chris,starting technique is important once you get it sorted.DO NOT touch the throttle when kicking over ,to make sure this happens keep your hand away from it so you are not tempted to try and give it a 'blip'. If you think its trying to catch but not quite getting there turn the tickover screw in half a turn. I'm amazed a squirt of easy start is not helping you. Keep going and good luck.
Andy
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Post by chrisa83 on Aug 5, 2024 6:23:49 GMT -5
Thanks both.
Yes can see the window and the silver bit. Is there a perfect spot exactly for that? Ie. As its just entering the window, when the window is completely full of silver etc?
I'll definitely make sure to be away from the throttle when next trying as i do have a temptation to blip that. It mid 20's C here in England so no issues with temperature. I'll look at a possible slight adjustment on the carb aswell as suggested.
Thanks again
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Post by stevep on Aug 6, 2024 8:48:12 GMT -5
In a situation like this it's worth checking all the things that could be holding you back. One thing I always bang on about is the pulse coil air gap. If it's not set correctly you get a hard time starting or backfires, depending on whether gap is too large or too small. It's an easy thing to sort and cross off the list as possible culprit. (The attached will be easier to see when you have signed in...)
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