Petes2Wheels
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Post by Petes2Wheels on Mar 2, 2024 23:08:58 GMT -5
Hi All, I have a 1984 SR400, very loud ticking sound coming from the exhaust valve tappet. I adjusted it to 0.15mm while engine is cold. Very loud ticking sound. I adjusted it down further to 0.13mm and it got quieter. How low can I go on the vakve clearance as it seems the lower it is the quieter the engine. Thanks
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Post by 1r7 on Mar 3, 2024 8:36:29 GMT -5
Sur ma SR500 et ma XT500, je règle à 0,08 mm admission et 0.12 mm échappement (serré) depuis + de 100.000 km sans aucuns soucis On my SR500 and my XT500, I set it to 0.08 mm intake and 0.12 mm exhaust (tight) for over 100,000 km without any problems Attachments:
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Post by stevep on Mar 3, 2024 9:44:55 GMT -5
As the tip of the valve gets hammered from a flat surface into a dish (!) it becomes increasingly hard to obtain a true clearance using feelers. Best off by using an alternative method. Pitch of adjuster screw thread is 1mm so one turn of the adjuster screw is 1mm. You want 36degrees (one tenth of a turn) for the inlet and 54 degrees (one and a half tenths of a turn) on the exhaust.
I use the Kedo flat ball (elephant foot) adjusters and devised a plate with 36 and 54 degrees marked on it to make the adjustment. You can only use the flat ball adjusters though, if the tips of your valves are still fairly flat. Yours sound as if they've been dented.
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Post by Petes2Wheels on Mar 3, 2024 20:11:09 GMT -5
As the tip of the valve gets hammered from a flat surface into a dish (!) it becomes increasingly hard to obtain a true clearance using feelers. Best off by using an alternative method. Pitch of adjuster screw thread is 1mm so one turn of the adjuster screw is 1mm. You want 36degrees (one tenth of a turn) for the inlet and 54 degrees (one and a half tenths of a turn) on the exhaust. I use the Kedo flat ball (elephant foot) adjusters and devised a plate with 36 and 54 degrees marked on it to make the adjustment. You can only use the flat ball adjusters though, if the tips of your valves are still fairly flat. Yours sound as if they've been dented. Thanks for that. So close the adjuster screw all the way in then wind it out 36 degrees and 54 degrees, sounds easy enough. Not sure if the valves are dented. Haven't got a Service manual to work out how to check them or how to replace them.
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Post by stevep on Mar 4, 2024 11:38:27 GMT -5
Valves are checked at TDC on the compression stroke. Left side (generator) engine cover off. Use the pointer on the engine block and the TDC marker on the flywheel. Always rotate in the direction of engine rotation to arrive at TDC. If you go slightly past it, keep going all the way round to get there again. Never wind it backwards.
To inspect your valve adjuster screws and tips of the valves, remove the adjuster screws for inspection of the surface that bears on the valve tip. Take great care not to let them fall into the motor!!!
They tend to get chipped around the edge and develop a flat spot when worn. Next, take a peek at the valve tips. You'll be able to see them with a dentist mirror and flashlight once the adjuster screws are out. It should be possible to get an idea of how bashed in they are. (High mileage bike? They'll definitely be bashed in.)
I made a degree plate with zero, 36 and 54 marked on it. It has a hole at the centre of the radius to pass the adjuster tool through. Line it up with zero and wind out to 36 or 54 and snug down the locknut. You'll get the feel of 0.1 and 0.15mm quite well after a few goes!
If you try and check it afterwards with a feeler, the chances are you won't be able to get the feeler in there!
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Post by stevep on Mar 4, 2024 11:42:49 GMT -5
While you have the generator cover off, you may as well check the pulse coil air gap.
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Post by Petes2Wheels on Mar 4, 2024 19:11:06 GMT -5
Thanks for all that. Definitely will do that.
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Post by Petes2Wheels on Mar 4, 2024 23:53:06 GMT -5
Have definitely got a issue. The head cover, that the valve covers bolt into is stripped and one side is cracked. Looks like it was bogged with putty sometime ago. So the exhaust valve cover cant be tighten all the way down. Guessing there is a influx of air escaping from that. Cant find the part number on yamaha as it doesn't have a name. It is not the head cover it is the cover that sits right on top of the engine. Where the valves screw into, has the spot where the tacho plugs into. At a educated guess will need a replacement, then maybe the valves as they don't look good at all. Which manual is the best for following to do the valves?
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Post by stevep on Mar 5, 2024 11:00:59 GMT -5
Sorry to hear you've got wider issues regarding the head cover! Your options are likely to be Haynes or Clymer as far as manuals go. Both should have comprehensive step by step for engine stripdown and refurb as well as routine periodic maintenance and spec/tolerances etc, I know the Haynes does.
You're right that the cover is not listed except as an integral part of the whole cylinder head assembly. Reckon you're looking for a used engine to strip for parts! I shall make a prediction: A weekend touring breakers yards lies in your future!
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Post by Petes2Wheels on Mar 5, 2024 23:28:11 GMT -5
Definitely annoying but rather find out now then on a ride. How easy is it to replace the valves? Can I do it with the engine in the bike and not taking it out? I have a valve puller. Will look on youtube and see if there is any videos on there who do valves. There is a few valve head covers on ebay for sale.
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Post by stevep on Mar 6, 2024 8:19:09 GMT -5
This is definitely an engine out of frame job, I'm sorry to say. Glad you're already eyeing up some suitable parts on the bay. Once you have a manual you'll see the process for replacing valves. Never had to on my current machine but is pretty standard if you have the new parts to hand and are confident with the fine details like lapping the valve seats.
Gasket sets become important. Athena and Yam are recommended. Issues with incorrect thickness of important parts in off brand gasket sets. The head cover needs Yama bond number 4 or similar to create seal with head. It'll all be in the manual.
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Post by Petes2Wheels on Mar 6, 2024 18:55:52 GMT -5
This is definitely an engine out of frame job, I'm sorry to say. Glad you're already eyeing up some suitable parts on the bay. Once you have a manual you'll see the process for replacing valves. Never had to on my current machine but is pretty standard if you have the new parts to hand and are confident with the fine details like lapping the valve seats. Gasket sets become important. Athena and Yam are recommended. Issues with incorrect thickness of important parts in off brand gasket sets. The head cover needs Yama bond number 4 or similar to create seal with head. It'll all be in the manual. Why would you need to take the engine out? Take the valve top cover off, then the head and that is the valves out then isn't? Unhook the timing chain and take the camshaft out. Would have thought it could be done. Always use original or yamaha brand parts and seals.
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Post by stevep on Mar 7, 2024 14:15:16 GMT -5
I just feel sure this has come up before: That there's not enough space between the top frame tube and the top of the motor to get the head off the studs and away cleanly. I'd be happy to be wrong here.
Edit: Just had a look at p20 of the Haynes manual which clarifies which operations can and can't be done with engine in frame. Head off requires engine out of frame due to insufficient clearance.
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