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Post by andy on Dec 10, 2023 14:52:58 GMT -5
Just to add Steve, the piston size/ clearance was on the side of the box it came in…87.92 (.08 clearance) so just about squeezing a 4 thou feeler in was about right .
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neal
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Post by neal on Dec 11, 2023 12:32:40 GMT -5
Starting to gather pace👍. New piston turned up and fitted after honing /glaze busting the cylinder bore. Fingers crossed should be about all back together and ready for firing up by the weekend. Neal, if your reading this you will see my 4 corner piston ‘nip up’ pics , it’s cost a few quid to replace the piston but hopefully it all turns out okay. What clearance you running on your Wiseco piston ? I’ve aimed for 4 thou and won’t risk going flat out again and messing it up 😥 Hey Andy, Sorry for the rather late response. To be completely honest mate I can not ascertain exact specs for clearance on Wiseco piston I put in. I sent barrel and piston to a company in Johannesburg I have used in the past and know them to be excellent. I supplied all docs and info with parts, I have attached pic of packaging if it helps at all. I remember reading posts on previous forum regarding Wiseco, if I recall there was some debate on earlier pistons having too little clearance specified. Piston I used was +2 oversize and barrel was rebored to suit. Sounds like you are making good progress, good luck with rest of the work.
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Post by gotsron on Dec 11, 2023 18:23:29 GMT -5
What I'll never know is how long into the 12000 miles on the old piston nipped up and was it caused by over revving the bike on a hot day OR did the obvious incorrect fitting of the oil expander ring contribute ?? [/quote] Going back to that question Andy, I once accidentally overlapped the oil ring expander on an auto engine i was putting together. The ring compressor would not tighten enough to let me start the rings in the bore. in that instance. looking at the situation, i saw that. with the expander overlapped, i could not press that section of the oil control rings all the way into the ring groove on the piston. I was afraid that if I had mashed the thing together, that I would have damaged the ring groove on the piston and possibly bent or turned one or both oil control rings, possibly damaging the bore but certainly losing any semblance of oil control in that bore. Your experience was much less serious, everything went together with no damage and you had a good semblance of oil control. My opinion is that having the section of overlapped expander in one area would create a tendency for that ring to push out harder on that section of the oil control rings, which MAY have the effect of moving the piston slightly off-center. uncertain if friction would increase. Likely the pressure pushing out on the remaining portions of the oil control rings would be less than projected, having effectively lost some of the circumference of the expander. This might give the effect of well worn oil control rings which may have been a source of oil loss while running, blowing out the exhaust possibly.
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Post by andy on Dec 12, 2023 2:58:10 GMT -5
Neal,Paul, thanks.Going back to the oil expander mistakenly being over lapped your theories stack up. It seemed over a long period that the oil consumption increased to a point that serious surgery was needed. Time will tell but I’m comfortable how it all went back together. Another thought was the nip up wasn’t helped by incorrect oil control/ distribution onto the cylinder wall. Neal, I’m happy with the clearance and measured as much as possible to convince myself all is good to go.
Itching to get on a shakedown ride….when the bloody weather behaves a bit better 😟. Catch up later 👍.
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Post by andy on Jan 4, 2024 11:57:33 GMT -5
Heres the post I've been itching to put up In the last couple of hours I've been on my maiden shakedown ride after just a brief fire-up in the garage with a few minutes ticking over and bleeding the lube system both at the top of the filter housing and the double rocker oil feed banjo,big releif when seeing oil coming out. Good start-up after a few kicks and deliberately left it a couple of minutes to warm up before moving off. 3000-3500 revs maximum and not letting the motor 'lug'. It feels sweet and sounds fine after an initial 10 mile ride. Didn't want to stray too far from home..just incase anything turned to ratshit. Early days and I'm chuffed,I'll venture a bit further next oppurtunity. Want to get to around 400-500 miles but will go with the 'feel' of the motor as well. Couple of lessons learned :- 1. Make sure the mind set is up to the job, I deliberately took a long time to do the job and yes on the odd occasion rushed certain operations that I re-did after not being happy/confident. 2. We've all got a budget for these projects but after pondering....can I get away with new rings and a piston clean-up ? NO NO NO ! put the hands a bit deeper in the pocket and stump up for a new piston and rings,you've got one cylinder and one piston....and one chance...don't skimp on it. Heres to happy riding days ! Thanks for all the input lads.
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Post by gotsron on Jan 4, 2024 19:10:47 GMT -5
Heres the post I've been itching to put up In the last couple of hours I've been on my maiden shakedown ride after just a brief fire-up in the garage with a few minutes ticking over and bleeding the lube system both at the top of the filter housing and the double rocker oil feed banjo,big releif when seeing oil coming out. Andy Congratulations Andy! I wholly agree, there's nothing quite like seeing the oil reach the top end on a newly rebuilt engine! BRAVO! and good riding!
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Post by gcrank1 on Jan 4, 2024 23:29:10 GMT -5
Rock On Andy!
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Post by lux on Jan 7, 2024 2:40:36 GMT -5
Thanks for that Steve re-gaskets. Now the plot thickens,I've just removed head,piston and barrel and noticed the piston has 'picked up in 4 places',sort of corner to corner,this is a wiseco piston and I've seen evidence of this before on the old forum....gotta say though I never felt a 'nip up' when out riding.Doing a few measurements I found the rebore to be correct to wiseco spec [0.1 mm or .004"] I'd previously taken the steps to replace the piston and made some enquiries think I'm gonna go down the OEM cast alloy route,which interestingly specifies .002" -.0025" clearance,obviously the wiseco ali is a different grade or the design tends to expand more.View AttachmentView AttachmentThere was a lot about this on the old forum. Apparently Wiseco produced a batch of pistons with the wrong clearance on the box. Having said that 0.004" should be ok but I am running a 90mm 11:1 Wiseco in one of mine at 0.006" clearance with no problems.
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Post by andy on Jan 7, 2024 5:08:07 GMT -5
Thanks lux,I'm running stock comp 9:1.No doubt things get a bit hotter at 11:1. Having access to quality measuring kit I'm happy the clearances are okay and also I don't rev the nuts off the bike,I've also got an oil temp gauge to keep an eye on,especially during hot days [not that we get that many here ]
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Post by neal on Jan 14, 2024 5:00:05 GMT -5
Well done mate, love it when a plan comes together. You are 100% on trying to save money on rebuild. Do it right, do it once. Enjoy riding her.
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