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Post by solo2racr on Jun 19, 2008 12:24:28 GMT -5
> Do you feel that you can trust the seller (or buyer,as the case may be). That's a silly statement since you can't feel either good or bad about a seller you haven't met which is why they have the rating system. Unfortunately the ratings can be faked pretty easily. Semantics. Call it intuition then. So you are saying that a person with a total of 13 and 79% feedback is just as safe to buy from as a person with 100 times the feedback and 100% rating? Suffice to say that I trust the eBay system (Paypal included) and the people on it more than you do. End of story.
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Post by wotavidone on Jun 20, 2008 0:45:23 GMT -5
Very interesting comments, chaps. The most interesting thing about is that you don't seem particularly worried about the thing that bothers me most of all. I haven't bought much stuff on EBay, but even so, I have had nothing but good experiences with sellers. Always got the goods in good time, and the goods have always been as described. So I have no complaints there at all. The bit that bothers me is the electronic transfer of financial details. I have never given my banking details over the net - I do share trading with comsec, and even there the banking details were provided by letter. As for credit card details - sorry guys, don't even own one. My preference is for bank deposit. I buy the stuff, then I whip down the street, stroll into the local branch of whichever bank the seller deals with, and pay cash into his account. Its easy, costs him zip, and his money is available to him straight away. I must be a luddite. I guess I'll have to get with the times. Mick
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Post by milkman on Jun 20, 2008 0:59:33 GMT -5
I was the same as you Mick, and then took the cynical view that I'm probably the only person NOT looking at my details on the web - the undersireables seem to find them if they want
I had a friend who found out she was victim of identity theft when the Four Seasons and Shangri-la sent her lots of thankyous and preffered customer deals. Never did online details
Luckily for her the credit card in her name was linked to someone else account, and the liabilty wasn't hers (and she was in another country from the hotel in question so easier to prove)
In the end its risk vs reward - i take teh risk of being ripped uoff for the reward of lazy banking/payments
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Post by solo2racr on Jun 20, 2008 1:31:55 GMT -5
Buying items within your own country with a bank draft is fine. The only drawback is that it will take longer to get the item, Surface mail being slower than electronic transfer. But, trying to buy items from outside Australia would be much harder to do without doing an electronic transfer (Paypal)
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Post by Bize on Jun 26, 2008 4:43:36 GMT -5
Well from selling stuff on ebay, I've found that most people pay with paypal anyway, so in practice, I don't really care. . . but in principal I don't agree with the changes. Especially since ebay owns paypal. . . Reeks of conflict of interest to me.
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Post by stevec5000 on Jun 26, 2008 11:30:16 GMT -5
> Do you feel that you can trust the seller (or buyer,as the case may be). That's a silly statement since you can't feel either good or bad about a seller you haven't met which is why they have the rating system. Unfortunately the ratings can be faked pretty easily. Semantics. Call it intuition then. So you are saying that a person with a total of 13 and 79% feedback is just as safe to buy from as a person with 100 times the feedback and 100% rating? Suffice to say that I trust the eBay system (Paypal included) and the people on it more than you do. End of story. Most people including me would avoid the one with only 79% feedback and go with the 100% chap but I've been cheated by 100 percenters too and you never know if their ratings are real and hard earned or faked because they've had their friends bid on all their stuff up until now or hijacked someone else's account.
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Post by solo2racr on Jun 26, 2008 13:44:06 GMT -5
Most people including me would avoid the one with only 79% feedback and go with the 100% chap but I've been cheated by 100 percenters too and you never know if their ratings are real and hard earned or faked because they've had their friends bid on all their stuff up until now or hijacked someone else's account. Having a friend bid on stuff to jack up the price is pretty easily caught by eBay. When the same person keeps bidding on another persons stuff, red flags start going up at eBay HQ. If your friend bids up the item and wins it, then you didn't really sell it and you still have to pay the fees. You could file for non paying bidder and get back the final value fee but that would work about once. The other side is that you actually sell the item and you earned the feedback. If a person were to "hijack someone else's account", I would think the last thing they would do is to up that persons feedback. Even though you are making a poor argument, I DO understand where you are coming from. Ebay and Paypal are not perfect but then, what is? This is where the intuition and feeling come in, lacking any other hard evidence to support whether the seller is a good one or not.
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Post by wotavidone on Jun 26, 2008 23:50:10 GMT -5
Started a discussion here didn't I. Points I have gleaned from the discussion so far: *Regardless of whether you think Ebay is an honest and fair outfit it remains the best way for the individual to trade SR parts internationally. *Most guys have had a reasonable, albiet not perfect, experience with PayPal * It all comes down to how desperate you are to get that lefthanded widget from outer mongolia which would put the finishing touches on your pride and joy.
I must say, its the coercion/lack of freedom of choice that got me to start this thread. I may have to paraphrase a previous post, if I want something, I guess I'll use PayPal and grumble later. Mick
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Post by milkman on Jun 27, 2008 0:43:10 GMT -5
I think that sums it up Mick. Ebay are creating a monopoly for themselves, and if you can get away with it, why wouldn't you -
The govt here always says markets must enable fair competition, which under that policy saw me overnight go from getting paid 56c/l to 25c/l for milk - thanks for coming, you get paid 50% now, its fair competition, we'll fly shite in from NZ if we want.
Under the same policy to increase competition, Qantas can't buy the planes of struggling airlines, as it looks like they are trying to buy out the competitor, so the competitor has to go under, and Qantas by riht of being the oldest and biggest gets it near momopoly anyway in teh name of "competition"
Yet they seem to not enforce it sometmes - when Supermarkets wanted to open pharmacies, somehow it was a differnt story. Dont get me started on supermarkets.....
i.e. their policy which should prevent ebay from forcing paypal use, wont, and we'll just have to embrace the outcome regardless
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Post by solo2racr on Jun 27, 2008 1:23:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure how the OZ version of eBay is setup but, when I list an item here in the U.S., it will give me the option, as a seller, to accept Paypal, money order, personal check, or credit card for payment. I setup my listings to accept Paypal or a money order. Personal check are just to hard to trust and I'm not setup (yet) to take credit cards. But if, for example, a buyer asks if I would take their personal check (or even a goat and 2 chickens for that matter : and I say yes, it isn't a problem as far as eBay is concerned. When the payment clears the bank (or I see goats milk and eggs ;D), I mark it as paid and ship.
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Post by wotavidone on Jun 27, 2008 2:03:29 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what has our backs up Solo - very shortly Ebay Australia will not allow the option -only PayPal or cash on pickup will be allowed. I feel for you milkman. Now milk in the supermarket is in the hands of big suppliers and its pushing $1.50 or so per litre. The farmer ain't getting it, the delivery man ain't getting it, so it can only be the supermarket, eh? Its like what happened with eggs in South OZ. They deregulated the egg farming biz, the price of eggs fell a long way, egg farms closed down, interstate egg farmers dumped lots of old eggs in the supermarkets, which saw people buying a dozen eggs for a dollar, only to find they were rotten when the got them home. People woke up to the interstate eggs being poor quality, demanded local eggs which were undersupplied, the price of eggs is now cruel. My pensioner mum bought a half dozen eggs the other day, cause my chooks have gone off the lay. They cost her $3! Of course the price of chook feed is not helping. Wheat is $400 a ton in bulk, so a bag of wheat at the fodder shop is now $21. Anyway, where was I? Ah yeah, Ebay. The bloody Web equivalent of Woolworths, eh? Nuff said. Lets talk about motorcycles instead. Mick
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Post by solo2racr on Jun 27, 2008 10:27:30 GMT -5
Heres an idea. Just list on the U.S. eBay site. Business as usual. Plus, it may send eBay Aus. a message.
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Post by raff35 on Jul 19, 2008 5:01:51 GMT -5
It looks like the accc (i think) has basically told ebay that they wont accept them making paypal the only form of payment.
Another interesting thing to note. I use an ebay sniping site called gixen (check it out it is free and reliable). Sniping is not allowed on ebay germany (where I buy most of my vespa parts) but because gixen makes the bid via ebay usa the sniping is within the rules.
I also sell alot of rare vespa and lambretta stuff, mostly on ebay uk (where most of the buyers are) and when I list it in the uk it still shows up on ebay australia.
So I would suggest that if you listed your parts on US ebay there wouldnt be the paypal only restriction and your stuff would still show up on ebay oz.
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Post by solo2racr on Jul 19, 2008 9:53:32 GMT -5
So I would suggest that if you listed your parts on US ebay there wouldnt be the paypal only restriction and your stuff would still show up on ebay oz. Isn't that what I suggested above? You do bring up some other good points in listing in a country to target a better market. If it is something I really want, I'll "snipe" manually, With a stop watch and the submit button right under the mouse pointer. More fun that a sniping program ;D.
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