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Post by leeshelford on May 7, 2008 8:56:48 GMT -5
OK Carl or Stew heres one for you boyz ! R&D valve springs are about 20m.m. longer than Std ones -yeh- 20m.m.!!! have you had any issues with spring coil bounding on full lift when using the cam I,m getting that Carl recommended, a Waggetts 738 in conjuction with a Wiscoe 10:1 any clearance issues with valve to piston clearance on full valve lift, I believe .060 thou will do there (correct ? ) Also I,ve bought R&D Bronze guides (I know the cast ones are better but 3 times the price ) so the problem is on the R&D guides there is only a 1m.m. shoulder to act as a stop/ flange when the guides are fully driven home , therefor there is not enough of a flange / lip to have an O ring under that face to stop oil finding its way past the outside of the guide. I can machine a small under cut groove tight in the corner below the 1m.m. shoulder to retain an O ring but I thought I,d ask before doing it to see if anyone has a better fix ? Thanks guys. Lee
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sven
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Post by sven on May 7, 2008 15:50:46 GMT -5
R&D valve springs are about 20m.m. longer than Std ones -yeh- 20m.m.!!! Hi Lee! Just checked this out. Should be 10mm. I don't know this cam, but R&Ds work up to 15mm valve lift (depending on the preload adjusted, of course...) Anyway, you have to check all clearances at your engine, don't just rely on what we write here. Full valve lift is never a problem with the piston, the interesting measure is valve lift in the tdc area. With "normal cams" smallest exhaustvalve:piston distance will be some 5° ... 10° btdc, for the inletvalve 5°...10° atdc. 4mm valvelift @ tdc should be o.k. with most pistons. Dunno, but many bikes neither have an O-ring like the SR nor any other valve seal... Regards Sven
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Post by lurch on May 7, 2008 17:52:49 GMT -5
Hi this is a photo of old valve springs verus R&D springs if it helps LURCH
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Post by caferacercarl on May 8, 2008 3:00:18 GMT -5
Aahh grasshopper, the SR retainer is flat and the R&D is raised, to allow up to 600 thou lift before trouble, the 738 has from memory 315thou lift at cam and 109/109 lobe centres and 300 degrees duration, only a pooftienth more lift and duration than standard but a lot more grunt at say 3,500 rpm, bronze guides should always have about a thou more interferance fit than chilled steel types ,as the expansion rate is different. as you can all see, I have no life....
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Post by strick on May 14, 2008 9:35:04 GMT -5
The R&D do not appear progressive like the stock springs are.
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Post by caferacercarl on May 17, 2008 4:15:12 GMT -5
Rest assured, the more the lift ,the more the R&D [and kibblewhite] etc, increase in spring pressure.
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Post by sven on May 20, 2008 14:52:19 GMT -5
The R&D do not appear progressive like the stock springs are. That's right, they're just linear.
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Post by caferacercarl on May 23, 2008 4:01:56 GMT -5
Hey strick, talking about valve hardware, that crf450 of yours could do with the kibblewhite valve and spring conversion kit, it sorts out all the new rocketships, thats what I do all day, modern dirt bikes, jetting and valve jobs, I do about 2 SR engines a year !!!
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