jbass
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Post by jbass on Sept 23, 2006 10:24:43 GMT -5
New SR500, runs great, first kick, I love it.
But for the life of me can't get the blinkers working.
When I turn on the right hand blinker it comes on solid, when I turn on the left nothing.
It looks like someone has tampered with the standard 6 pin conector going the self canceling unit. I would like to just bypass it. It might just need to be replaced, the wierd thing is that there is 6 wires coming from the bypass and 5 coming from the bike. Any wireing sugestions would be appreciated.
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Post by StewRoss on Sept 26, 2006 5:54:19 GMT -5
Hi, This may seem a dopey question...but you have looked at the globes? The switch blocks can cause problems at times...a clean helps there occasionally...also the contacts in the indicator units themselves. Hope this assists... SR  |
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Post by miker on Sept 27, 2006 8:53:34 GMT -5
Basically you hook together the wire from the turn signal switch and the wire to the flasher. On my XS650 this was Y/G and Y/R on the schematic - on my "stupid-friendly" SR schematic it's cartoon red-with-yellow-tracer and green-with-yellow-tracer.
The other three wires on the canceling unit are power, ground, and a reed switch from the speedometer.
miker
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jbass
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Post by jbass on Sept 30, 2006 23:52:00 GMT -5
Here is the fix
Replaced stock blinkers with mini stalk
The bolts from the stock flashers replaced the bolts from the mini stocks easily which let me use the stock rubber mountings.
All 4 flashers lite solid when activated and motor not running.
All 4 flashers blink when motor at idle.
Who the "F" cares if they don't blink when motor is not on.
By the way all this goes on while timer relay is not even hooked up, I guess it doesn't matter if it is even there.
I put a resister (5W7.5?J) in split from the flasher and all was blinking as normal.
The resister got pretty hot so rather keep it with just the replacement bulbs wich are 12v 23W
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Post by wotavidone on Oct 10, 2006 5:12:31 GMT -5
I got my self cancelling working today.
It was only through reading the forum that I realised it was supposed to have them.
I decided I'd better do something about them after I blasted straight over an intersection the other day, only to get a long lingering look from the lady cop sitting over the other side. I thought it was the charisma of the mighty thumper working its magic until I happened to glance at the tacho as I grabbed 5th gear and realised that a) I was about 20k over the speed limit and b) the right indicator was still on after a right turn about half a mile back.
OOPS!!
The cutie in uniform was probably expecting to drive over the intersection while the yob on the bike indicating a right turn (me) gave way to her.
We drive on the left so I would be turning into her through lane, she must have had a bit of a moment when she realised I was not stopping.
So, since we live in a state with no compulsory roadworthy check at rego time and the cops have to rely on us giving them an excuse to pull us up and check the vehicle for defects, I decided it was time to make sure I did not give them too many reasons.
I discovered the following today:
1) Shop manual says taking the self cancelling unit out of the equation is as simple as unplugging it. The system should still work without, except then you have to cancell manually.
2) Problem with mine was the reed switch in the speedo.
Must have got stuck at some stage. A couple of passes with a strong magnet got it working, on the bench, but then I also found some dirty bullet connectors that needed cleaning before I could see the reed switch signal back at the self cancellor unit.
3) The wiring is very thin and old. Just dismantling the switch block for a look see resulted in having to resolder a broken wire.
While I had the headlight out (ain't there some wires in there?!) I fixed the parking light, and toyed with the idea of upgrading the main bulb to a 100 watt unit, until I saw that the wires going to the standard 60w/55w were already showing a few signs of excessive heat.
Looks to me like relay operated spotlights are the next step.
Mick.
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Post by joneill4 on Apr 20, 2008 18:23:50 GMT -5
My self canceling unit shorted out, so I want to get rid of it. All I need to do is connect the red/yellow to the green yellow? What is the reed switch? Do I need to tie that in to get the indicator light to blink too?
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Post by StewRoss on Apr 21, 2008 3:23:24 GMT -5
In my recollection all you need to do is to simply unplug the unit and it all works manually...give it a go. SR  |
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Post by joneill4 on Apr 21, 2008 6:35:04 GMT -5
I don't think that's true, but I'm not positive. I didn't try it with the engine running, because it's been raining cats and dogs for three days. My garage is just too cramped for easy starting.
Anyway, I pulled the unit and I don't get any blinkers. Not even steady on. I also tried jumping the red/yellow and the green/yellow as miker suggested. Still nothing. I do have a tail light and brake light that I did not have when the unit was shorting.
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Post by StewRoss on Apr 21, 2008 7:46:24 GMT -5
Ah OK...my rusty memory... SR |
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Post by joneill4 on Apr 22, 2008 17:56:39 GMT -5
Anyone else have an educated guess?
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Post by colinjay on Apr 22, 2008 21:35:42 GMT -5
I havn't had the selfcancelling working on my "stock" SR since I put it on the road in 1998. I can't remenber if the cancelling unit is still fitted or if it is using the stock flasher unit.
However, over the weekend I fitted a bastardised SR wiring system to my XT and had to change the way the 3 terminal connector was wired to get the blinkers to work. I am using the BROWN wire on the "L" terminal of the flasher relay and the BROWN/WHITE wire on the "X" terminal of a 3 terminal electronic flasher unit. It worked without connecting anything to the 3rd terminal, so like all good electricians/electronic tech's I didn't bother connection it!
I will have a look at my SR if I get a chance tonight and see how it is.
CJ
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Post by joneill4 on Apr 23, 2008 6:15:14 GMT -5
That is good to know. I bought a car flasher last year, but I couldn't figure that out either. Are you seeing a pattern here?
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Post by colinjay on Apr 23, 2008 17:27:00 GMT -5
I had a play with my stock SR last night, and I have a 3 terminal electronic flasher unit fitted to it. The self-cancelling unit is still fitted and the blinkers don't self-cancel. I disconnected the self-cancelling unit and the blinkers worked just as well as with the unit fitted, so I can say conclusivly, that with a electronic flasher (as opposed to a bi-metal strip/mechanical flasher relay) the blinkers will work with out the self-cancelling unit.
Aftwer all this discussing, I am think that I might put in some time and try to get the self-cancelling function working on this bike.
CJ
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Post by joneill4 on Apr 24, 2008 14:39:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the the write-up, Colin. I just wish you had told me what I wanted to hear. I know my bulbs were good when I got into this mess, but I guess I could have blown them in my testing.
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Post by joneill4 on May 4, 2008 19:57:23 GMT -5
Apologies to all who have tried to help me. When I put my wiring harness back in, I connected the blinkers to the CDI. I think we can all see why my blinkers weren't working and why I lost spark. And yes, when it is wired properly, you can simply unplug the self canceling unit, and things work just fine.
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