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Nov 30, 2006 22:53:29 GMT -5
Post by milkman on Nov 30, 2006 22:53:29 GMT -5
Afternoon all, sunny day in Sydney and Austraila has two eickets for Englands 86 runs....weekend is shaping up nicely.
Anyway, such a nice day I thought I'd sit outside and change the oil in my SR250 (use it on my lazy days for the commute to work).
Now not thinking ahead I drained it, and went to get my oil - thought I had some GTX left.
The only oil I had, and I thought I'd use up, was some Penrite I had. Its basically 20-40W but formulated for older engines that have either burnt components or are using a lot of oil. I use it in my old trail bike and the 500 sometimes. I needed my bike to get to work so had to fill her up......
Point is - does anyone think this will serve a problem? My 250 is only 7000km old, but it usually only does short trips. I figured going too thick would be better than too thing, and it might cause the little engine to work a bit harder. Its meant to take a 20-40w oil anyway.
Thought I'd ask on the off chance someone had found problems doing this......
Thanks
Steven
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Dec 1, 2006 1:17:48 GMT -5
Post by wotavidone on Dec 1, 2006 1:17:48 GMT -5
It is my personal opinion, not backed up by much science at all, is that if you put new oil in of the correct grade, i.e. in your case 20w-40, you can't do a whole lot of harm. In an aircooled bike, where the oil gets quite a belting, putting any new oil in can only be a good thing. If that there GTX was Castrol , then changing to a different brand might actually be a good thing. Reason - once upon a time that stuff was formulated to drop all the contaminants out as a sludge. Theory was this was better than pumping it through your oil galleries, but my mechanic mate used to hate it with a passion, because motors that had run on Castrol GTX were very dirty bloody things to work on when you had to pull them apart. Apparently Castrol recognised this as a problem, because during his last stint in a dealership, in the 90's I think, they sent the representatives around to say how they had improved the oil so it did not do this anymore. Bought 'em all a drink and tried to convince the mechanics that it was OK to put in an engine from now on. My mates response - " Well boss, if you want me to put it in the customers cars I guess I'll have to, but its never going in any of my vehicles." I note that he still uses Penrite now that he has his own garage and can chooose whatever he wants to use. I reckon it would pay to change the oil filter fairly soon, but Penrite never seems to hurt anything I own. She'll be right , mate. Mick
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Dec 1, 2006 2:35:23 GMT -5
Post by milkman on Dec 1, 2006 2:35:23 GMT -5
Thanks mate, I thought as much.
Penrite is top stuff, and I like them being a small AUS company,
I've always used GTX2 in my cars, and never had an issue, but mind you I've never pulled my car motor apart.
GTX may be another story again....
Don't know what was in this, only had it 6months. It was serviced then apparently, but the oil was pretty black....Saw it in a dealership, the guy said $2500 with 5000ks on it. DONE.
I signed up, and when I came back to get it, he said "You got the deal of the day, it was meant to be $4500.....but you already signed a contract..."
Fun around town......lets me save the 78 for the weekends.
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Dec 1, 2006 5:22:22 GMT -5
Post by StewRoss on Dec 1, 2006 5:22:22 GMT -5
Hi, Blimey, that was a good deal! I use Valvoline XLD Premium...20W - 50...been using it for years with no adverse effects...and it's $15 for 5 litres. SR
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Dec 1, 2006 9:07:43 GMT -5
Post by tradrockrat on Dec 1, 2006 9:07:43 GMT -5
I use 20-50 in both of my bikes and change the oil religiously every 2000 miles or 3 months. The type? whatever motorcycle oil is on sale. The more I learn about oils, the more I learn it's all bull shit. As long as you buy the right oil for your riding environment and keep it clean, todays modern oils will work just fine. We have ... uh... debates about this all the time over in the Harley group I belong to. Every mechanic and builder on the site seems to agree. Don't even get me started on synthetics...
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Dec 1, 2006 12:03:17 GMT -5
Post by SRwillie on Dec 1, 2006 12:03:17 GMT -5
Hate oil threads! Like, what's your favorite color... My two cents worth... Here in the US, we have to stay away from the lighter grades marked "Energy Conserving". They have friction modifiers added and do not work well with "Wet" type clutches. Not real sure if you are dealing with the same additive problems in Au. Just for your information. Willie
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Dec 2, 2006 5:17:03 GMT -5
Post by StewRoss on Dec 2, 2006 5:17:03 GMT -5
Hi, Yes we get that in some of the oils...stay away from 'em! SR
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Dec 2, 2006 7:22:44 GMT -5
Post by wotavidone on Dec 2, 2006 7:22:44 GMT -5
Thats the go Stew. My cars use Penrite, cause I'm too busy, (or is that lazy) to service them myself, so my mate does 'em and as stated he's a Penrite man. I must admit, they do have the best paint jobs on the 44 gallon drums he buys in, which is probably as good a reason as any to choose that brand. Like you I use valvoline xld in the bike, cause that's what the previous owner used, and when I discovered I could get it for about $18 for 5 litres, I was delighted. Well under $10 per oil change, means you can afford to change it often - 3000 km intervals as per the manual for me. Saw an article in a pilots magazine years ago, the question was "What do you do when you land at a remote airport, check the oil in the plane, and discover she's nearly empty and they don't stock you brand?" Answer, "Fill the bloody thing up with anything that's reasonably close in grade. Won't hurt it, and only a nut takes off with low oil in the engine." Made me think, that did. So that's been the rules I work by, any oil is better than no oil, and new oil is better than old oil. As you guys say though - stay away from synthetics and friction modifiers, we want clutches to work. An interesting factoid - my mate actually did his trade in the early seventies at a Ford dealership. The old XY GT's occaisionally were very hard to change gears, sometimes the old top loader 4 speeds were a bit tight when new. The cure - drop the gear box oil and fill up with engine oil. Mick
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Dec 3, 2006 4:11:08 GMT -5
Post by StewRoss on Dec 3, 2006 4:11:08 GMT -5
Hi, Oil is a bit of a personal thing, but I agree with the XLD...I also agree totally about the aero engines, I've seen the unfortunate results if you don't. SR
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Dec 4, 2006 0:26:28 GMT -5
Post by milkman on Dec 4, 2006 0:26:28 GMT -5
Whoa, not looking to start another war over oil lads, enough of those already.
I always stick to mineral oils, even in my newer car.
That valvoline XLD price sounds good.....might look that up. Well I took the baby SR for a blast from Sydney to home on the weekend, home being South coast not too far just past the 'gong.
Well the 250 didn't miss a beat, even in the wet, and it was the first longer test I gave her since adding the pipe and k&n (no carb mods). She was pulling 110kph at 1500 revs less, around 6500, than when I went home with her stock.Add some wind and things changed though....
Anyway the oil can't of hurt.
On an amusing side note, I had a "race" of sorts in traffic with an Aston Martin. This vanquish was one of those knobs who has a fast car, and keeps trying for every gap he can find. Problem was, he kept racing up the left or right and getting stuck behind someone waiting to turn. So by sitting back and looking ahead, and the lane change advantage, I kept coming up beside him and going past. Well after the second time, he seemed to get the shites that his 400k car was getting over taken by me, ad every time I caught up, he would burn off into a gap, only to get caught again.
This happened about 13 times over an hour. I lost him for 20 minutes once, and thought he had finally got out in the clear, but then at a lights, he came right up behind me! His girlfriend didn't look impressed! hahahahah Maybe because it was her car...the no. plate was SUZAN5.
Good times.
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Dec 4, 2006 1:13:06 GMT -5
Post by colinjay on Dec 4, 2006 1:13:06 GMT -5
My 2 cents worth on oil.
I use HOMEBRAND 20/50 that I buy from Woolworth. the reson being that even the cheapest oils that are made these days far exceed the SEA oil grade of SG that was the the standard for high grade engine oils when the SR engine was designed. Hence any modern oil is better that the "HI" grade oils that were available 25 years ago, and why spend a fortune for an oil that is not going to do any more/better than a cheaper oil. If you have any real concerns about the cheaper oils, or if you ride real hard (race) then I would just change the oil a bit more frequently.
CJ.
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Dec 4, 2006 1:46:59 GMT -5
Post by wotavidone on Dec 4, 2006 1:46:59 GMT -5
You are right CJ - even the cheapest high grade oil has to be as good as the high grade of 25 years ago. No "wars" about oil for me, I do believe I have already admitted I buy the really cheap stuff . Mick
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Dec 5, 2006 10:34:27 GMT -5
Post by staffy on Dec 5, 2006 10:34:27 GMT -5
Good thing i searched for this first. It was one of my burning questions. I was wondering though, 20-40w is recomended but a few people have menioned 20-50w. Now the second number represents viscosity at high temperature doesn't it? Does this mean that 50 would be sliprier (is that even a word, doesn't look right) than 40? There's not gonna be a huge difference is there? Need an answer quick cause i just bought this bike and the oil is black - yuck. Never believe when they've said it's had an oil change. It was probably done last year.
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Dec 5, 2006 10:41:38 GMT -5
Post by staffy on Dec 5, 2006 10:41:38 GMT -5
I've just noticed my Cucleserv manual says to use Yamalube 20W/40 motor oil or equivalent. It's probably not worth paying the extra money for the yammy stuff is it? I am making the assumption it'd be more expensive.............
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Dec 5, 2006 13:33:58 GMT -5
Post by hopwheels on Dec 5, 2006 13:33:58 GMT -5
Yep, the Yamalube is more expensive and not any different than a good grade oil from my understanding. I think there's a old standard saying that if Yamaha could sell Genuine Yamaha air for your tires they would... ;D
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