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SR-BSA
Apr 19, 2008 8:09:25 GMT -5
Post by mattb on Apr 19, 2008 8:09:25 GMT -5
Browing Flickr I came across this Starfire BSA with an SR500 engine, which excited me as I often think about putting an SR engine in a different frame - eg into a contemporary Royal Enfield. Doesn't look too bad! -Matt
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SR-BSA
Apr 19, 2008 12:29:32 GMT -5
Post by bigshingle on Apr 19, 2008 12:29:32 GMT -5
Painful for me to look at. To have done that to a vintage BSA — is it a complete BSA sans engine or a hodge-podge with a BSA tank? — is a crime against humanity. What was gained over a stock SR with a BSA tank, if masquerading is the game? Or why not just put BSA decals on an SR tank?
Putting an SR engine in a Royal Enfield is probably not so serious an offense, since there are plenty of those around — way too many, some would say — and more are being turned out every minute. But, Matt, other than a sort of comic novelty, what would you get for your time and money?
It wouldn't be anywhere the bike a stock SR is.
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SR-BSA
Apr 19, 2008 14:38:18 GMT -5
Post by troutthunter on Apr 19, 2008 14:38:18 GMT -5
That's the same tank I had modified to fit my sr frame. I had it streched a little, I ran the tank badges for a while but I really felt weird like I was riding a lie. I dropped the badges for the new incarnation of my SR. I'm not sure a an old bsa B25 is such a huge loss but I get your sentiment, Bigshingle.
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SR-BSA
Apr 19, 2008 19:42:19 GMT -5
Post by marlon on Apr 19, 2008 19:42:19 GMT -5
I don't know - BSA and the SR are quite linked. I remember reading a while ago that BSA did put SR engines into their frames towards the end.
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SR-BSA
Apr 19, 2008 23:44:50 GMT -5
Post by blakes on Apr 19, 2008 23:44:50 GMT -5
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but BSA singles of that era were horrible. They leaked oil, vibrated and were saddled with diabolical electrics.
The Amal carburettors leaked and wore out slides if you looked at them sideways. The fork tubes and bushes were of poor quality and manufacture and needed periodic replacement to preserve any semblance of handling.
You really had to work hard owning one of these bikes. After long term ownership of a B31, B40 and B50, I have suffered greatly and still get a nervous twitch when I see those finned heat sinks for the Zena diode, smirking, mocking me, ready to open circuit at any time.
Putting an SR engine in one of these bikes would be a godsend. You would have the benefit of a reliable engine, and frame numbers that would allow registration with exemptions on emission, noise and the absence of indicators.
Ditch the tank badges if you must and add a disc brake front end, and live happily ever after !!
Regards
Mark B
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SR-BSA
Apr 20, 2008 21:00:12 GMT -5
Post by mattb on Apr 20, 2008 21:00:12 GMT -5
I appreciate the objection some would have to this, however there are varying perspectives. Perhaps he couldn't get a good original engine for it, or perhaps his perspective is different from the purist / classic restorer one - eg this was his Dad's and his bike before the motor blew and it matters to him, in terms of his appreciation of what the bikes means to him, that it remain a working bike in the sense of something that can be ridden every day and often hard. Again, it was common practice back in the day to make hybrid bikes (Norvins etc) and people still make Tritons, so what is the problem with this, unless it is an issue for somebody to mix Japanese and Brit components (a moot objection!); I have no issue with doing that even though I also love pedantic classic bike restorations, indeed the original reason for doing Tritons etc was performance - and it may be the reason here also. Regarding Enfields, I would do it because I prefer the Enfield chassis but I prefer the SR's engine power and reliability. So I appreciate that there's a quite different and sometimes incommensurable (depending on its strictness) perspective such as you seem to be expressing, bigshingle, but I think there are serious perspectives that can come into play in doing such hybrids which are capable at the same time of appreciating the either distinct or vintage value of the British machines. I dislike most choppers and I feel the former perspective sometimes when I look at those all-too common chopper projects on old Triumphs, but then I remind myself that the bike is not - or can, or perhaps should be, more than - a museum piece, and that it has a broader horizon of meanings than those I personally attach to it, and that's the attitude we need to take generally. So I'm not disagreeing with all you say so much as suggesting a robust different opinion. I should add that I don't like masquerading at all, and when I purchased my SR and it had BSA badges on it - which looked great! - I took them straight off. But this is not masquerading at all, and I'm sure he knows full well that anybody for whom "BSA" means anything will know straight off that it's a different engine, and he does not seem to be hiding the fact - indeed he should be proud of the project! Matt
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SR-BSA
Apr 20, 2008 22:17:57 GMT -5
Post by colinjay on Apr 20, 2008 22:17:57 GMT -5
The BSA-SR 's(pictured in Marlons post) were actually made by BSA-Regal, which real have very little to link them with the BSA of old, apart from having bought the BSA brand name somewhere in the late 1070's (I think) after BSA finally bit the dust.
The BSA-SR's were built in Southhampton UK, or at least were when I went there in 2001. They people there were great, and quite happy to sell me a complete bike, but would not sell me just a bare frame. I still have their specification/parts/options price list, but I think it would be way out of date.
CJ
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SR-BSA
Apr 21, 2008 4:19:11 GMT -5
Post by milkman on Apr 21, 2008 4:19:11 GMT -5
Looks like he's riding with a BSA club - so the true believers haven't linched him
I'm split both ways - I would have to take the BSA badges off, but if its keeping an old bike on the road, go for it.
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SR-BSA
Apr 21, 2008 8:33:22 GMT -5
Post by bigshingle on Apr 21, 2008 8:33:22 GMT -5
Mattb, absolutely. If a guy owns something it should be his to do with what he wants. "Degustibus non est disputandum" as they said in Old Spanish. We're only talking about bikes after all, not life-and-death issues.
Still, that doesn't mean snooty, pedantic purists like myself can't wince.
Awhile back I read an old rant (I can't find the link) on "rice burners" by a guy who'd just bought a new Royal Enfield and was pleased as punch with it. A few miles and a few months later he posted a "how-to" with photos of his modifications which included a Mikuni carb. By now I suppose he's replaced almost everything with "rice burner" parts and may have something like you're talking about doing.
I'll keep looking for the link.
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SR-BSA
Apr 21, 2008 13:33:01 GMT -5
Post by modrocker on Apr 21, 2008 13:33:01 GMT -5
Degustibus non est disputandum" as they said in Old Spanish. I love it..."Old Spanish" is a running gag in my field...Latin teachers! I also belong the the BritIron listserv and a few years back one member had a BSA M20/21 (can't remember which one exactly) sans engine; he installed (as if it is as easy as the word sounds) the powerplant from a wrecked Suzuki Savage. Cutting up a complete bike to do something like this or the SRB25 above makes me cringe but there are a lot of these bikes out there in less-than concours condition, some even left to rust or scrap out...it can be an exercise in garage/shed engineering too...years ago Classic Bike had an occasional series on hybrid bikes (special brews??) including a Matchless chassis with a Honda GB/XBR 500 engine. The bloke who put it together made it look terrific. Only my two cents. Kevin
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SR-BSA
Apr 22, 2008 1:58:30 GMT -5
Post by StewRoss on Apr 22, 2008 1:58:30 GMT -5
Here's one from a 1990 Aus mag called Classic Motorcycling...mag's not around now... XT500 motor in a Yam R5 chasis... I'll put the whole article on the ACT SR site so as to save on room here... If you're interested to know the tank is from a Honda CB750F1... SR
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SR-BSA
May 19, 2008 16:35:51 GMT -5
Post by jimmyftw on May 19, 2008 16:35:51 GMT -5
My buddy put a tt in a goose necked triumph frame
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SR-BSA
May 20, 2008 13:14:53 GMT -5
Post by sven on May 20, 2008 13:14:53 GMT -5
... putting an SR engine in a different frame ... But the guy in the pic didn't - that's just an SR frame! Regards Sven
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SR-BSA
May 21, 2008 8:48:11 GMT -5
Post by manxman on May 21, 2008 8:48:11 GMT -5
My buddy put a tt in a goose necked triumph frame Sweet, do you know where the front end's from?
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SR-BSA
May 21, 2008 11:41:25 GMT -5
Post by aero on May 21, 2008 11:41:25 GMT -5
The first piture of the Blue abortion just screams everything I hate about somepeople's ideas about building bikes. I mean he can't even be bothered to pump the rear tyre up. On the chop.....Where's the goose neck? And the rear axle plates are welded to the highest point of the tube's diameter, OK with nice thick (soft) ERW tube, but likely to crack in front of the weld all the same. The forks look like Indian copies. nice model tho
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